23.12.2007

VanceS contributed 215 messages, 10 emotes, 98 private messages, 1 private emote during 129 minutes. 2007.12.23 04:02:57 Login Room: VirtualVance VanceS joined the room. VanceS left the room. Room: TI_Reception VanceS joined the room. VanceS: yo rick RickRo: Yo VV! RickRo: Am I early or late? VanceS: W?? RickRo: V V RickRo: Virtual vance VanceS: depends on how long ago you were here RickRo: I just came in VanceS: just on time VanceS: noon gmt RickRo: Cool... VanceS: you're in amman? RickRo: Yes, working away.... VanceS: how's the weather, cool? RickRo: It's nice--cool but sunny. Great hiking weather RickRo: If only I had the time.... VanceS: Bobbi and I went for a 3 day hike just last weekend VanceS: slept out two nights in the open RickRo: And down there? Great! Where'd you go? Did you backpack? VanceS: you bet, backpack RickRo: sweet VanceS: all our water and food VanceS: warm clothes for chill evenings RickRo: That's my idea of a vaction. VanceS: three small bottles of wine for each night VanceS: 1100 meter altitude gain and return RickRo: I was just thinking about how nice wine is on a camp trip... RickRo: I bet it was cooler at 1100 VanceS: a little VanceS: that's 1100 gain RickRo: Where's d'ya go? VanceS: it was 2000 meters VanceS: there are so many places in Oman RickRo: still--beats flat! RickRo: Here too VanceS: this one is a ball breaker RickRo: rocky? VanceS: I've never explored Jordan on foot VanceS: yeah, very rocky RickRo: Most do camel or donkey or jeep trips. I prefer feet and bicycles. VanceS: there is one place here we used to go caving VanceS: where we'd rent donkeys to carry our gear VanceS: though the FIRST time we hauled it all in VanceS: one person carried only the rope RickRo: once was enough, I bet VanceS: after that it occurred to us to use donkeys RickRo: did they come with a donkey guy? VanceS: interesting life style these people lead VanceS: yeah, we hired donkeys and a herd of herders VanceS: we expressed interest VanceS: they materialized VanceS: we negotiated a price VanceS: they wanted us to give them things the whole way VanceS: they especially coveted our rope VanceS: habil habil RickRo: the bedu here do most of the work with animals. Rope? VanceS: yeah, they tie bits of plastic rope together VanceS: we had this fine caving line BeeD joined the room. VanceS: they were really covetous VanceS: hey Bee RickRo: plastic rope in the cave doesn't make it! RickRo: hey B! BeeD: good morning/afternoon/evening :-) BeeD: Hi Rick..long time no see RickRo: Tudo bem ai? BeeD: tudo BeeD: e vc? RickRo: Faz um tempao me'mo! VanceS: Nice to see you Bee RickRo: Legal--estamos em Jordania agora BeeD: Yes..finally free VanceS: are you going to Thailand in January? BeeD: Thailand..do not think so BeeD: Thailand..do not think soOZ though RickRo: Come to Cairo! VanceS: for your sabatical? BeeD: will be in Oz- flying on 26th (your birthday) VanceS: Cairo, will you be there Rick? VanceS: where are you going in Oz RickRo: Yes--we have a Fellow conference and then we'll do AUC BeeD: this will depend on my hosts RickRo: Oz? VanceS: where are your hosts (let's start there) VanceS: OZtralia BeeD: Sydney and Woolagong RickRo: wow! RickRo: just a hop a skp and a jump! BeeD: then may be attending Linux Conference in Melbourne at the end of the month VanceS: I was with Josie Fraser and Sean Fitzgerald at Jokayda the other day VanceS: are they both in Wollongong? BeeD: Sydney and WoolagongX-mas party? BeeD: it was 5 am - way too early VanceS: is it woolagong or wollongong BeeD: why is this chat repeating my lines? BeeD: oh..it's not VanceS: why is this chat repeating your lines? RickRo: why is this chat repeating your lines? BeeD: bit of a lag here VanceS: ah VanceS: who are your hosts exactly? BeeD: Alex Hayes and Rose Rozgradnic VanceS: now isn't alex organizing the thailand gig? BeeD: will be seeing Jo and Sean as well BeeD: Anne Paterson BeeD: the FLNW crowd and flexible community VanceS: I've got a real backlog of TALO mail VanceS: FLNW ? BeeD: yep VanceS: flexible laerning VanceS: network? BeeD: will be threading my EVO session with the FLNW2 event BeeD: yes VanceS: yeah, oh, Elizabeth is urging mentors VanceS . o O ( like me ) BeeD: urging mentors? VanceS: to encourage moderators BeeD: to join the FLNW? VanceS: to solicit sponsorship from TESOL IS chairs? VanceS: jejej BeeD: this would be a good thing BeeD: because we do not know them BeeD: and what we are doing is helpful at all levels BeeD: well..at least most levels VanceS: yes, but there's a logistical probem BeeD: ? VanceS: let me give you a url first BeeD: all in Tesol is behind walls VanceS: it's an odd organization VanceS: are you involved with TESOL Rick? BeeD: so cannot get the names or contacts of the different IS without having to log in (forgot the nb of my ID and password...lol) VanceS: EXACTLY RickRo: I'm going to TESOL and put something in for the computer room... VanceS: now here are all 19 IS's VanceS: http://www.tesol.org/s_tesol/sec_document.asp?CID=161&DID=550 VanceS . o O ( put something in ... ?? ) BeeD: I wrote to Teacher Education once but never got an answer VanceS: ok, suppose you wanted to "write an Interest section?" VanceS: how? RickRo: for an EV RickRo: Haven't had much time for anything else.... VanceS: you mean give an EV session at one of the computers there? RickRo: I'm bringing 9 teachers to TESOL this year.... BeeD: from Jordania? DennisOl joined the room. BeeD waves to Dennis VanceS: I have a paper accepted but am supposed to do it virtually RickRo: Yep--on the E-teacher program. From Jordan, Lebanon, Palestine, Israel VanceS: Hi Dennis RickRo: Hey D! BeeD: I am going to have a discussion on Social Tools RickRo: cool DennisOl: Hi, folks. VanceS: You've done that before, right rick? RickRo: on e-teacher? RickRo: Yes VanceS: at TESOL Bee? BeeD: yes VanceS: are you going there? VanceS: must be BeeD: if I get my miles yes RickRo: I'm also working on getting distance ed courses to IRaq VanceS: your session on social tools coming up is superb DennisOl: Congratulations, Bee. It will be a splendid presentation. VanceS: incredible the way you work on it DennisOl: Wow, Rick. I'm impressed. VanceS: the bavardage with Rudolph is priceless BeeD: lol RickRo: where can I see a preview of your presentation, Bee? BeeD: I have a lot of fun DennisOl: Bavardage??? BeeD: but sometimes feel like strangling him RickRo: bavardez? VanceS: bedardage b'al arabi BeeD: http://dekita.org/smielt DennisOl: Ah, so! RickRo: shukran VanceS: fahamt? RickRo: fahamt VanceS: tayib DennisOl: Ja ne panimaju . . . but I can guess from context. VanceS: we just translated bavardez into Arabic and Rick got it DennisOl: Yes, I figured that out. RickRo: It's a small linguistic world.... VanceS: and we are linguists RickRo: nods and wags his tongue VanceS: paralinguists in the case of Rick DennisOl: bavardez = babble, no? RickRo: BTW, would y'all be willing to be reviewers on the Journal of Less Commonly Taught Languages? BeeD: chat VanceS: yeah, shoot the bull RickRo: paralinguists--Hahahahah! DennisOl: Sounds fascinating. DennisOl: hee hee hee BeeD: clavardage in Canadian is text chat DennisOl chuckles BeeD: (from clavier) VanceS: good one RickRo: It really is. I am review an article about swahili and another from Turkish DennisOl: Interesting, Bee! VanceS: I don't know if I'd feel qualified Rick DennisOl: Tell us more about Swahili and Turkish. VanceS: I'm kind of lost without technology DennisOl: the article, that is RickRo: Here is the contact-- Danko Sipka RickRo: Editor, JLCTL RickRo: Professor of Slavic Languages RickRo: School of International Letters and Cultures RickRo: Arizona State University RickRo: Web: http://www.public.asu.edu/~dsipka RickRo: Mail: Danko.Sipka@asu.edu DennisOl: ASU? I used to teach there! RickRo: You needn't speak the languages--just have a background in linguistics. Danko was my Fulbright prof of Serbo-croatian back in 88 BeeD: oh...on mowi po polsku RickRo: nam! RickRo: bee voce fala polski? BeeD: tak RickRo: kako? VanceS: no falo polski ni portuguesa RitaZ joined the room. RickRo: voce fala! DennisOl: Yes, his ASU webpage says that he's a professor of Slavic languages: PhD in Linguistics from U of Belgrade, doctorate in Psychology from the Polish Academy of Sciences, M.A. in Russian from the U. of Poznan VanceS: Hi Rita BeeD: eu falo polones, portugues, frances e ingles RickRo: Hi Rita! DennisOl: Rita! Abrazos! RitaZ hugs everybody hi BeeD hugs Rita RickRo: Que coisa, Bee! VanceS: quadra lingual BeeD: as vezes e um no linguistico total RickRo: eu naci assim.... BeeD: understand italian, spanish and czech DennisOl: But you have fluency of differing degrees in all those languages: very impressive indeed! RickRo: Danko is serious about needing reviewers. You can also let other linguists you work with know about it. RickRo: The articles are all about language teaching methodology, so nothing new for us DennisOl: Do you have a URL for Danko's "call," Rick? DennisOl: Bee: You probably also understand Slovak and Rusyn, no? RickRo: Impressionante, Bee! Eu portugues, frances, espanhol e depois serbocroata, italiano, alemao, e um poquitito arabe BeeD: well..not exactly understand but get the gist RickRo: Dennis, I think he doesn't have it up yet. He just started as the editor DennisOl: Bee: You probably also understand Slovak and Rusyn, no? DennisOl: Ah, I see, Rick. RickRo: I can send you the call for reviewers in an email DennisOl: I'm only a linguistic dilettante myself. I can hold my own in Spanish and written Portuguese (listening skills are improving), i ja tozhe panimaju "kitchen Russian" i Rusyn. DennisOl: Yes, please do that, Rick. DennisOl: dennis.oliver@cox.net RickRo: Just sent it. Again, feel free to share with any colleagues/contacts who want to be reviewers. DennisOl: Bee: Because of Spanish, French, and Portuguese, you must also be able to manage Catalán, too, right? BeeD: I understand some of it - it sounds like Spanish with a Portuguese accent NelbaQ joined the room. BeeD: hi Nelba DennisOl: Yes, it's very odd, isn't it? NelbaQ: Hi, everybody! DennisOl: How about Romanian? RickRo: Hi! DennisOl: Nelba! Abrazos! RitaZ hugs Nelba NelbaQ: Hola, Dennis! un abrazo! DennisOl hugs Nelba as well NelbaQ: Hi, Rita! How are you? DennisOl: ¡Y un abrazo para tí también! NelbaQ: I'm having mate..as everymorning... NelbaQ smiles VanceS: hi nelba, glad yuo made it DennisOl: I haven't had mate for 20 years! BeeD: now it's time for mate gelado in Brazil BeeD: summer time = mate gelado on the beach DennisOl: Mate gelado! Very interesting! NelbaQ: I like mate gelado! the best drink in summer NelbaQ: I used to have "tereré" when I used to study in the summer DennisOl: Tereré? NelbaQ: "tererè" is mate gelado in Paraguay. VanceS: gelado is cold? or geletanous? DennisOl: Ah, I see. NelbaQ: instead of hot water BeeD: cold NelbaQ: you put ice in the water. BeeD: with lime juice DennisOl: Yum, yum! NelbaQ: no, Vance it is very cold mate NelbaQ: you can drink liters of it. NelbaQ: it may be sth similar to your cold tea NelbaQ: ready to celebrate Christmas? NelbaQ: have you done all the shopping? DennisOl: Mate gelado com limão espumante: DennisOl: http://tinyurl.com/ynmu3e VanceS: i love iCED tea with lemon and sugar VanceS: mmmm RitaZ: I ;doesnt like mate at all...., and cold mate..., hmm, still less DennisOl: I love iced tea, too. We used to have it year-round when I lived in Southern Ilinois. DennisOl: The taste of mate is distinctive, I'll admit that, but I like it. DennisOl: I still remember the taste even though I haven't had any for a long, long time. BeeD: we also drink a lot of agua de coco (green cocunut water) DennisOl: Yum, yum! SydnayA joined the room. SydnayA left the room (signed off). NelbaQ: how are you going to celebrate Christmas? DennisOl: Online source for mate: DennisOl: http://www.yerbamatecafe.biz/ DennisOl: Christmas will be low-key for me. VanceS: any good sites for iced tea with lemon and sugar? RitaZ: thanks, Eveready Dennis DennisOl: hee hee hee NelbaQ: low-key? what does it mean? BeeD: at my parents, Polish way, on 24th when the first star comes out in the sky, Nelba DennisOl: relaxed / nothing special or elaborate RitaZ: not very pompous, Nelba NelbaQ: I'm staying home with the family. I love celebrating at home. RickRo: I'm going to have a Brazilian Finnish Xmas DennisOl: Will you have oplatky, Bee? BeeD: Brazilian Finnish in JOrdania, Rick? NelbaQ: let's take photos of us and Dennis can do one of those beautiful blogs he does RickRo: Raclette, sauna and Brazilian music and drinks BeeD: Yes, Dennis - we will have oplatky which come from Poland DennisOl: It would be wonderful, Nelba! NelbaQ: yes, your blogs are always beautiful... RickRo: We know a couple from Finland and Brazil --we'll spend the day with them... DennisOl: Wonderful! Do you have a (can't remember the name, exactly) szapka? RitaZ: wow, Rick, what a celebration!! NelbaQ: so we can know each other a litle more RickRo: knedliki! BeeD: we have a cold buffet - no meat VanceS: hmmm raclette .... cheese? RickRo: I miss knedliki, though that is Czech, not polish... DennisOl: Knedliki! Yum, yum! DennisOl: Khvorost! DennisOl: Varenniki! RickRo: yes it's strange to think of cheese and raclette in the middle east.... BeeD: just fish, seafood, salads, barszch with mushroom uszkas RickRo: such a small world! Bee has a polish Xmas in Brazil! RickRo: I met a lot of Ukrainians there.... DennisOl: Bee: Szopka BeeD: no..do not have this DennisOl: I know a lot about Ukrainian Christmas customs. RitaZ: do you have that for Christmas only? what is knedliki? I love varenikis! (I prepare them...;.)) BeeD: we listen to traditional X-mas carols in Polosh DennisOl: Szopka: DennisOl: http://www.polishamericancenter.org/Szopki.htm RickRo: fresh fruit knedliki, Rita, are wonderful! They are dumplings... DennisOl: The szopka shown above is VERY elaborate. NelbaQ: We do not have any traditional food for Christmas... DennisOl: Varenniki with plums: yum, yum! RickRo: cherries! NelbaQ: our ancestors were inmigrants... Spanish and italian. RitaZ: would LOVE it, Rick! DennisOl: Also yum, yum! NelbaQ: so we have European traditions. RickRo: shouldn't be any more difficult to make.... NelbaQ: But the weather is hot in Argentina! so now we are changing our food for Chrismas RitaZ: will look for the recipe (pl dont worry, Dennis...;-)) RitaZ: yeah..., so funny we eat as if in winter times for our Christmas celebration DennisOl: http://www.cooks.com/rec/search/0,1-0,knedliki,FF.html NinaTL joined the room. RickRo: http://recipes.chef2chef.net/recipe-archive/17/099468.shtml RitaZ thanks dear Dennis once again..., so quick he is!!! DennisOl: When I was highly involved with Rusyn communities, we had something like Wigilia. NinaTL yawns and hugs all the webheads NelbaQ: yes, Dennis is always so helpful! :x RitaZ hugs dear Nina! NelbaQ: Hi, Nina. a bit sleepy? NinaTL: Yes, I was going to come a bit earlier but I fell back to sleep! NinaTL: Thanks for the funwall messages everybody NinaTL: I have a question about that, if I am not interrupting DennisOl: It was called Svjaty Večer (Holy Evening). NelbaQ: I have to apologize about facebook... DennisOl: It was a meatless meal with 12 courses. NinaTL: Why, Nelba? NelbaQ: I am a bit lazy ... NinaTL: Meatless meals are what I like! DennisOl: It included varenniki / perohy--usually several kinds (raisin, mushroom, potatoes and cheese). VanceS: Hi Nina VanceS: what about Facebook RitaZ: how do you feel about Facebook, btw? I feel its fun, but not to share with students, maybe Im missing sth? NinaTL: Dennis, if I had not eaten too much last mnight you would be making me hungry. NinaTL: Hi vance DennisOl: Also mushroom soup, kutja (a dish made from grains and honey), garlic, and more. NinaTL: I always react (or not) on facebook, I don't do anything VanceS: I like facebook with my family RitaZ: and friends VanceS: my son constantly tags photos for me NinaTL: I understand kids these days communicate via facebook instead of email but I don't know, it seems too open NelbaQ: yes, I don´t find facebook very interesting... NinaTL: Can't everybody see everything? DennisOl: And after Svjatyj Večer, people go caroling—usually with a large decorated star on a pole. NinaTL: (not that email is private) NelbaQ: yes, I agree with Vance and Rita DennisOl: I still remember the koljadky (carols). VanceS: I notice my students using facebook a lot BeeD: Hello Nina RitaZ: too light, very social tool NinaTL hugs Bee NinaTL: so nice to see you, Bee! DennisOl: Bee, I think I forgot to give you a hug! DennisOl: Um abraço grande! NelbaQ: let's do a big hug altogether hahaha RitaZ: Bee, I've seen you are attending TESOL in NYC..! BeeD: wigilia is what it is called at home..and kolendy are the Xmas carols NinaTL: When you post something on somebody's (fun)(super)wall, do you do that one at a time or to your group of (selected) friends? DennisOl: The Polish carols are very beautiful. BeeD: well Rita, I have to add up my miles and see whether there is a seat available on these dates DennisOl: I imagine some of them are Pan-Slavic. DennisOl: Is there one called "Heaven and Earth"? (Nebo i Zemlja) NinaTL: I will certainly go because it is so close this year RitaZ: Ive done that already, got one by chance NinaTL: I will be delighted to hug Bee in person! VanceS: when you install these third party softwares to your facebook accounts are you concerned that any mal-use might come of it? RitaZ: will then meet again, Nina! ;-)) NinaTL: I do worry, which is why I often don't do it RitaZ: I am, Vance NinaTL: Rita, don't tell me--are you coming to NY? DennisOl: And I would be delighted as well, Nina, but I won't be going to TESOL. NinaTL :-( Dennis VanceS: me too, which is why I ignore a lot of stuff in facebook BeeD: http://www.leonkonieczny.com/MIDIs/Wsrod%20Nocney%20Ciszy.mid RitaZ: yeah, Nina, and soo very sorry Dennis will not make it :-( NelbaQ: yes, Vance. That is why I do not like facebook. You open many other softs I don´t know... VanceS: will not make it where? DennisOl: to TESOL. VanceS: me neitehr I don't think NelbaQ: everybody is going to NY? DennisOl: But I'll be there in spirit, and if you make another blog, I'll keep up with what's happening. RitaZ: we are very few so far :-(( NinaTL: Nelba, will you be there? NelbaQ: I don´t know... NelbaQ: I hope so. NelbaQ: Who is going? Rita...Dennis? NinaTL: It's early yet NinaTL: Rita will you be presenting? VanceS: I hope to meet some of you in Fukuoka VanceS: sp?? NinaTL: Why Fukuoka? VanceS: WorldCALL DennisOl: Nelba: No, I won't be able to go. NinaTL: I have 2 former students living there NelbaQ: Are you going Vance? DennisOl: I have my fingers crossed for you to be in Fukuoka, too, Rita. VanceS: if my proposal is accepted NelbaQ: Oh, pity, Dennis. VanceS: it's at a good time VanceS: my son might be in Korea NelbaQ: who is going to Fukuoka? RitaZ: dont know yet, have submitted a proposal for the EVO fairs, no news yet, but wouldnt mind not being accepted, will go anyway :-) NinaTL: So of us here now, Rita, Bee, and I are going to NY, and Vance and nelba might go? RitaZ: WorldCALL will be in Fukuoka NinaTL: Fukuoka is definitely out of the question for me NinaTL: Unfortunately my TESOL proposal was turned down :-( RitaZ thanks dear friend Dennis for his concern NinaTL: That is wonderful, Rita NinaTL: Let's plan to stay together NinaTL: Do you remember that Paula Emmert suggested that we all stay in some sort of furnished apartment? NelbaQ: when are you going to come to Argentina? :) RitaZ: lets keep in contact, Nina :-) NinaTL: Has anyone heard anything from her about that? BeeD: oh..that would be nice NIna RitaZ: I heard about that long ago NinaTL: When I win the lottery, Nelba NinaTL: Paula knew of a particular place NinaTL: but I have no idea NelbaQ: yes, pretty far. Isn´t it? NinaTL: I should post to the list and ask her NelbaQ: I am planning to organize an event here in La Plata. NinaTL: Very far!! RitaZ: yes, but once she said she had already booked her place, it was long ago VanceS listens to Nelba RitaZ: La Plata, Nelba? with Webheads? NelbaQ: don´t think with Webheads... I am planning to organize La Plata BlogDAy NinaTL: Paula said that, Rita? I didn't see it RitaZ offers help BeeD: this is interesting Nelba NelbaQ: I was counting with you Rita :) NelbaQ: we can do sth online, perhaps BeeD: I have been participating in many blogcamps and barcamps..but they have been mostly run by journalists NelbaQ: wouldn´t it be great? BeeD: not teachers NelbaQ: yes, that is it, BEE! I want sth about teaching! VanceS: it's an interesting idea BeeD: I can send you a link to how to organize a blogcamp if you wish NelbaQ: yes, great! BeeD: have taken part in several NinaTL left the room (signed off). NelbaQ: I would like to do sth big, important. RitaZ: Paula said that about 5-6 months ago, cant remember exactly, she had already full house for her apart NelbaQ: La Plata used to be (sorry, Rita) a very important cultural town. BeeD: http://barcamp.org/BlogCamp NelbaQ: it has a university and many intellectuals studied here. RitaZ: I know, Nelba, and agree :-)) NinaTL joined the room. NelbaQ: Rene Favaloro, the doctor who created bypass, was born and studied here. NelbaQ: have you ever heard of him? NelbaQ: Ernesto Sábato, the writer, also studied here. RitaZ: hubby is teasing me.., he asks whther any other Webhead apart from ME will be joining the event in La Plata :-( NelbaQ: well, Rita. Rosario is important too. NelbaQ: I am a webhead too hahaha NelbaQ: everybody will be invited. RitaZ: c´mon..., dear Nelba, the second city in Argentina this is!!! ;-) NinaTL: Is there a way to join it from afar? Then I might! BeeD: http://beewebhead.net/2007/08/24/blogcamp-brazil/ BeeD: http://beewebhead.net/2007/05/25/barcamp-floripa/ NinaTL: How did blogcamp go, Bee? BeeD: it was very interesting Nina BeeD: it was not a teaching event RitaZ: so what about a blogcamp? you have the experience, Bee, tell us about it BeeD: mostly social entrepreneurs, cultural agents, journalists NinaTL: I have never heard of a blogcamp before! What have I been missing? BeeD: read the 2nd link DennisOl: I'd love to be part of the event in La Plata, Nelba and Rita. RitaZ: (quite a job, Nina, to organize!!) DennisOl: Bee: A blogcamp for teachers would be a splendid idea, no? NelbaQ: yes, but I am recruiting people ;) RitaZ: Vance, your adventurous spirit would like this...;-) VanceS: yes, if webheads can help VanceS: and worldbriges VanceS: speaking of which BeeD: it would be a very nice thing - but what I like about the camps is that you have a mixed public - not necessarily teachers - this gives you a better idea of what is happening in other fields VanceS: worldbridges is holding a winter solcstice webcastathon at the moment VanceS: now here's an idea NinaTL: summer solstice for some of the present group BeeD -) VanceS: I am asked to come online at 16:00 gmt this evening VanceS: if anyone would ilke to skype in VanceS: say to talk about blogcamp VanceS: or whatever VanceS: welcome BeeD: Nelba? DennisOl: Yes, the "mixed public" characteristic of camps is good, but there could still be a focus on teaching. NelbaQ: yes, I would like to join you. NelbaQ: 16:00 gmt? NelbaQ: at skype? RitaZ: thats 1 pm for us, Nelba NinaTL: 11:00 here NelbaQ: mmm.... difficult time for me. lunch time... BeeD: 14:00 here DennisOl: 1600 GMT = 9:00 AM in Phoenix. I can be there, I think. BeeD: what time is it now for you Dennis? NelbaQ: pity :( NinaTL: Dennis what are you doing out of bed at this ungodly hour??? DennisOl: 6:19 AM, Bee. BeeD: jeez RitaZ: yes, difficult time for an Argentinian Sunday meal :-( NinaTL: 6:19? I thought you were 3 hours earlier not 2 NinaTL: 6:19 is not ungodly DennisOl: I'm often up by 4:00 or 4:30 AM, Nina. NinaTL: just early VanceS: why not munch at the computer NelbaQ: let's do it next Sunday NinaTL: I hope you sleep well before that Dennis NelbaQ: at this time DennisOl: Well enough, Nina. VanceS: yes, we can do that as well Nelba DennisOl: Trivia for the day: VanceS: that's a good idea DennisOl: Most of Arizona does not change time: no daylight saving time. VanceS: why don't you write the webheads list and tell people that this will be a topic for that day RitaZ: but anything is possible..., last minute decision, Vance, maybe we turn up :-) NinaTL: aha VanceS: tonight Jeff Lebow just asked me to come on and talk DennisOl: BUT the Navajo Nation (northern AZ, and also in some other states) DOES observe DST. NelbaQ: who is going to write the invitation? Bee? DennisOl: AND the Hopi Nation (part of which is within the Navajo Nation) does NOT observe DST. NinaTL: Sorry I got lost. Which topic for which day? NinaTL: Dennis, that is very confusing. NelbaQ: blogcamp , next Sunday, Nina DennisOl: Yes, I know it is, Nina. NinaTL: Was that the day's trivia? DennisOl: Yep. NinaTL: Oh dear next Sunday NinaTL: I will be driving a friend to the airport VanceS: i never imagined that Dennis BeeD: on January 6th at 21 GMT VanceS . o O ( there must be a url for it somewhere ) BeeD: I will be giving a Blogstreams Salon session VanceS: any plans for it bee? RitaZ: what about, Bee? VanceS: blogcamp obviously BeeD: to talk a bit about the EVO sessions BeeD: and the FLNW event SvetlanaM joined the room. VanceS: hello svetlana SvetlanaM: Hello everyone. I'm late! BeeD: It would be nice if some of the EVO moderators and coordinators could join us RitaZ: Hi, Svet BeeD: Hi Svetlana VanceS: you need only write and ask them Bee DennisOl: Sveta! Privjet! NinaTL: Hi Sveta! VanceS: via webheads DennisOl: Nina: Re the time situation in Arizona: DennisOl: http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/arizona/time.htm BeeD: I have written BeeD: but maybe will post it again VanceS: where did you write? I would be happy to pass the wor BeeD: on the EVO moderator list BeeD: and to the WiA list DennisOl: When is your Blogstreams Salon session, Bee? Month after month, I plan to be there, but the time is often awkward for me. VanceS: maybe i missed it VanceS: ahh BeeD: January 6th 21 GMT VanceS: If I think of it I'll remind them BeeD: It will be 8 am in Sydney SvetlanaM left the room (signed off). NinaTL: 2 pm in AZ VanceS: it's in my calendar here http://www.vancestevens.com/online_events.htm BeeD: by then I should know more about the FLNW NinaTL: why Sydney? Who is in Sydney? BeeD: Michael is going to be in Bangkok SvetlanaM joined the room. DennisOl: January 6th: Epiphany / Theophany . . . AND Armenian Christmas (except in Jerusalem, where it's held on January 6th on the Julian Calendar--January 19th, Gregorian). VanceS: I'm thinking to go to Bangkok BeeD: are you? great NinaTL: Jan 6: ton foton NinaTL: (epiphany) BeeD: I wish I could - but too expensive BeeD: the money I received barely covered the flight to Sydney VanceS: who covers these expenses bee? BeeD: the flight was covered by the elearning07 conference keynote DennisOl: Thanks for the date and time for BSS, Bee. BeeD: and I will stay at people's places there BeeD: but will have to cover my personal expenses VanceS: is that aace? BeeD: no NelbaQ: what about your university? NelbaQ: doesn´t it give you any support,Bee? BeeD: http://www.icvet.tafensw.edu.au/ezine/year_2007/dec/report_elearning07.htm VanceS: in melbourne? BeeD: I am not part of any place, Nelba. I am on my own BeeD: in Sydney NelbaQ: oh, I understood you belong to a school. NelbaQ: but but if you are so hard working, there must be someone who can help you with the expenses in Australia. VanceS: do you know Sue Waters? BeeD: I work for the Franco-Brazilian secondary school in Sao Paulo who does not understand nor acknowledges my efforts in ICT BeeD: so this year I am on a sabbatical VanceS: isn't that odd VanceS: I could say the same about my workplace NelbaQ: Oh, it is the same story in Brazil! DennisOl: "A prophet is always without honor in his/her own country." BeeD: yes..I know her online NinaTL: Nice to have a sabbatical though Bee! VanceS: just noticed your elearning conf was a TAFE gig VanceS: you might meet her then RitaZ: "nadie es profeta en su tierra" in Spanish BeeD: After 30 years in ELt and 24 at the French school, I thought I deserved it NinaTL: I am listening to Dennis' beautiful holiday greeting DennisOl: How terribly ironic that you of all people are not recognized by your school for your outstanding pioneering work in ICT, Bee. I'm absolutely shocked! NinaTL: Thank you, Dennis! BeeD: Dennis---I am not French...just a local pariah DennisOl: You're listening to the Lvovskij Gospodi Pomiluj, Nina? NinaTL: Yes DennisOl: I understand that attitude very well, Bee. NinaTL: Very beautiful BeeD: so whatever is not coming from the French gvt is not considered as being of worth NinaTL: I love Russian choirs RitaZ: thats so good, Dennis, yes, thank you!!! NelbaQ: Well, here in la Plata... after having insisted so much... I think people are starting to pay me some attention. DennisOl: But it's horribly ironic. BeeD: I think this is a situation that mirrors other institutions around the world DennisOl: I'm glad you like it, Nina and Rita. NinaTL: I am also enjoying the Notes (thank you) BeeD: not only French but all over RitaZ: definitely, Bee NelbaQ: well, Rita. you cannot complain. You have a new CALL, don´t you? DennisOl: Yes, I think so, too, Bee. That's why I said "I understand that attitude very well." DennisOl: I'm glad you like the notes, Nina. RitaZ: ?? Nelba? lab you mean? DennisOl: The custom of starring is very interesting, I think. NinaTL: You have the soul of an educator, Dennis DennisOl: I hope so, Nina. RitaZ agrees with Nina NinaTL: I always learn something from Dennis NelbaQ: yes, rita DennisOl: Oddly enough, I've had much more time to reflect on what education, especially computer-mediated education, is now that I'm no longer teaching. RitaZ: but you are sharing your knowledge with all of us, Dennis :-) DennisOl: It's actually connected to "a situation that mirrors other institutions around the world," Bee. NinaTL: That is understandable, Dennis We all realize that teaching does not leave a lot of time for reflection DennisOl: I worked for six years at an institution that emphasizes its support for and focus on use of technology. DennisOl: Yet this institution has a very narrow view of technology in actual practice. RitaZ: you were lucky, Dennis DennisOl: Well, yes and no, Rita. SvetlanaM: I know I'm interrupting here! I only dropped in really, to wish you all Happy Holidays. I've learnt so much, so many interesting ideas that get me thinking. See you next week. Thanks and Bye! RitaZ: at least, thers recognition DennisOl: The institution I worked for depends heavily on Blackboard as CMS. NinaTL: Have a good week, Sveta, and a merry Christmas DennisOl: Sveta: S Prazdnikom! SvetlanaM: Cpacubo, Dennis NelbaQ: Thank you, Sveta! DennisOl: Do you celebrate Christmas on the 25th or January 7th? BeeD: Ciao Svetlana NelbaQ: merry Christmas for you too BeeD: Merry Christmas NelbaQ: 25rh DennisOl: Nichigo, Sveta. SvetlanaM left the room (signed off). BeeD: 24th here (wigilia) BeeD: 25th midnight in Brazil NelbaQ: 24th is Christmas Eve... we have dinner with the family DennisOl: I used to celebrate it on BOTH December 24th/25th and January 6th/7th. VanceS: interesting NinaTL: Life is short, so celebrate often NelbaQ: and children wait till midnight for Santa's present VanceS: my institute just purchased blackboard NelbaQ: and then we go on celebrating on 25th NelbaQ: what do you mean by blackboard? interactive board? NinaTL: Will you be using BB then vance? I will use it for the first time this coming semester BeeD: 25th lunch but mother is doing it today because on 25th there will be lots of traffic back to the city DennisOl: January 7th = December 25th on the old (Julian) calendar (which many Orthodox Christian groups use instead of the new (Gregorian) calendar. NinaTL: BB = ELMS course management tool DennisOl: Blackboard the course delivery system. BeeD: so we are flexible and adapted our X-mas lunch DennisOl: Makes sense, Bee. BeeD: to local conditions :-) VanceS: my institute which just purchased blackboard VanceS: is likely to now want to phase out moodle DennisOl: At home in Illinois, my family had a special December 24th tradition. VanceS: to force people to use what was purchased NinaTL: It's too bad not to offer a choice VanceS: bee and I were talking about this earlier BeeD: a step backwards Vance DennisOl: It wasn't Christmas Eve; instead, it was Dad's Birthday. VanceS: with Moodel we construct our own courses NinaTL: but you could continue with moodle if you want to, couldn't you? since it is open-source? VanceS: with BB the IT dept constructs the courses NinaTL: lol Dennis VanceS: from the registrars list DennisOl: (We made it special for him because when he was a kid, his family combined his birthday and Christmas.) VanceS: yes we can nina NinaTL: At UM we have to request space for a course in BB NinaTL: I haven't done that yet NinaTL: Since I teach f2f 5 days a week I don't have much use for the delivery features DennisOl: At one point where I worked, Vance, use of anything except Blackboard was discouraged. VanceS: yes, that will happen here NinaTL: but I will try it for grades (Engrade experienced some growing pains this semetser, which was frustrating) NinaTL: and possible chat VanceS: at teh American Uni of Sharja DennisOl: Recently, however, there have been so many problems with BB that other venues are now encouraged. VanceS: they had exactly that dilemma NinaTL: although I like doing chats here in my office VanceS: so the teachers mounted their own Moodle VanceS: and presented at conferences NinaTL: I thought BB was supposed to be very dependable VanceS: and kept mentioning how they were unsupported and discouraged DennisOl: Yes, a number of teachers are using Moodle or something similar now. VanceS: from NOT using BB NinaTL: Does it depend on one's own IT department? DennisOl: It was dependable at one time, Nina. NinaTL: It is new now, having merged with WebCT DennisOl: No, apparently there are flaws within BB--maybe because of the merger with WebCT. NinaTL: I think it was modified after that, wasn't it? DennisOl: Yes, probably. NinaTL thinks maybe she should stick with Engrade VanceS: its' the attitude you mentioned NinaTL: Engrade has had some modifications and additions lately DennisOl: Attitude, Vance??? NinaTL: The problem with Engrade is that I know people who have lost all their grades when it crashed--it wasn't backed up DennisOl: Can't you make your own backups? NinaTL: If I remembered to download a spreadsheet every time I posted grades, yes DennisOl: Like saving files as a web archive or something? DennisOl: Ah, I see. VanceS: yes, the attitude whereby the admin decides top down what everyone will use and how the courses witll form VanceS: and thinks they are doing everyone a favor BeeD: exactly DennisOl: Ah, I see. Yes--a very common (and deadly) attitude. NinaTL: I used to have a huge number of grades but this coming semester I plan to cut back on grades NinaTL: It's too time-consuming NinaTL: I do like Engrade's calendar feature NinaTL: for assignments DennisOl: When in actuality, the admin is doing NO ONE a favor--certainly not teachers and students. NinaTL: and they have changed the look of it--more like an actual calendar than a list VanceS: the admin here made this purchase without seeking advice from the lower echelons DennisOl: Typical! VanceS: or more accurately, after ignoring advice that was thrust up at it DennisOl: Also typical! NinaTL: At UM they solicited a lot of input but when BB and WebCT merged that kind of made the decision, because those were the 2 platforms being considered DennisOl: "The users just don't understand all the factors we have to take into account, so they can't appreciate why we make the decisions that we do." VanceS: what is that a quote from Dennis NinaTL: I think that is dennis channeling univ administrators DennisOl: from me--but it was a "reconstruction" of what I've heard from admins DennisOl: Yes, you were right, Nina. DennisOl: Or should I call you Ninochka? BeeD: I must go now...have a wonderful X-mas with your loved ones...I will be sending news from Sydney soon :-) RitaZ: nice meeting you all, as usual, folks, I need to leave. Enjoy your Christmas, enjoy good company, good food, a good time...Bye, hugs to everybody!! VanceS: I don't mind being provided with blackboard RickRo left the room (signed off). BeeD: hugs VanceS: actually it lnks wel to Moodle VanceS hugs bee BeeD: let's keep in touch Vance on FLNW NinaTL: Happy holidays to all! VanceS: lets do NinaTL hugs Bee and Rita VanceS: yes ho ho ho BeeD waves and hugs RitaZ hugs all bye NelbaQ: Bye, people! NelbaQ: love to all. See you next Sunday! RitaZ left the room (signed off). VanceS: blog camp is topic next sunday NelbaQ: yep NelbaQ: here or wiziq? VanceS: but you can write and mention it please? VanceS: as you like VanceS: we always start here VanceS: hang out here BeeD left the room (signed off). VanceS: but we can be elsewhere as well NelbaQ: if you organize the meeting at wiziq, let me know, please NelbaQ: I like wiziq better, we can see each other. NinaTL still has no webcam NelbaQ frowns NinaTL is still in PJs so maybe no webcam is better VanceS: would you like to set it up Nelba? DennisOl: Yes, let us know if the presentation will be at WiZiQ, here, or wherever. VanceS: when you set the session you must determine then whether webcams will be used or not NelbaQ: no, I am not very familiar with it .... NelbaQ: you start it Vance :) VanceS: ok, np DennisOl: I'm not in PJs, Ninochka, but my "at home clothes" are more like PJs than "outside clothes." NelbaQ: I will as soon as I get confident with it. NelbaQ: I am at home clothes too, Dennis... NelbaQ: hahaha VanceS: you can get confident with it by trying it out DennisOl: hee hee hee NelbaQ: yes, I will. NelbaQ: Oh, I have great news! DennisOl: So you're going to set it up, Nelba? VanceS: what's that DennisOl: What's your great new? DennisOl: news NelbaQ: do you remember I am organizing a course for teachers in February? DennisOl: Yes. NelbaQ: yes, NelbaQ: news VanceS: on ... ? NelbaQ: I got presents from Google for the teachers! DennisOl: on (topic) or on (venue) DennisOl: Wow! What kind of presents? NelbaQ: gifts VanceS: google gives presents? DennisOl: por ejemplo NelbaQ: don´t know yet. but the important thing is that Google is interested in the event :) DennisOl: Terrific! VanceS: in what event? NelbaQ: they must be t-shirts or pens... or folders DennisOl: When will you publish details of the course? NelbaQ: oh, Vance. you are not paying any attention to me :(( NinaTL: How did you find out that Google would provide goodies? NinaTL: Vance is probably mutli-tasking NinaTL: *multi DennisOl: Is it connected with Google Teachers? NelbaQ: I am very very sad Vance is not paying any attention to me :( DennisOl: I like "mutli"! DennisOl: (hee hee hee) NinaTL: Wasn't Muttley the name of somebody's dog is some novel? NinaTL: in some novel DennisOl: I don't know . . . but it sounds familiar! NelbaQ: well, people. I'd better go... see you next Sunday! VanceS pays ATTENTION to Nelba NelbaQ: have a wonderful Christmas time! I love you all VanceS: hang on NelbaQ: sorry? DennisOl: Nina: Yep. VanceS: what event, you said you were giving courses in February DennisOl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muttley VanceS: but did not explain NelbaQ: what.. NinaTL: I have to go also VanceS :-) NinaTL: but not before wishing you all happy holidays, if you have them DennisOl: When and where will your course be, Nelbita? NinaTL: and happy new year NelbaQ: next February, Dennis DennisOl: Yes, but where. DennisOl: Have you published details? VanceS: and from courses in February we got to gifts from Google NelbaQ: I am insisting on using ICTs where I work NinaTL: If I don't make it next week because of my airport run I will see you all in 2008 VanceS waves to Nina and hugs her a big happy holiday season DennisOl: Have a great rest-of-2007, Ninochka! NinaTL hugs Vance, Dennis and Nelba and gracefully exits NinaTL left the room (signed off). NelbaQ: Bye!!!! DennisOl hugs back NelbaQ: abrazos y besos para todos- NelbaQ left the room (signed off). VanceS: ok, well I guess we'll find out what's going on in February later VanceS: did you catch it Dennis? DennisOl: W'all, podhuh, it's dis' yew and me. VanceS: or what the google gifts were about? DennisOl: No, I never did get it. VanceS: haha DennisOl: Actually, she doesn't know yet. VanceS: oh VanceS: I was just tagging bee's site VanceS: the conference DennisOl: I'll have to go to her "English Virtual Community" and see if there's anything on the course there. DennisOl: If you'll hold on a second, I can do that now. VanceS: yes, I noticed you were posting on that list DennisOl left the room (signed off). DennisOl joined the room. DennisOl: Hold on a minute more . . . . VanceS: k VanceS clings on ... maybe another 30 seconds ... DennisOl: Nope. Nothing there. VanceS :-) DennisOl: Why does that NOT surprise me? ;-) DennisOl: Oh, well . . . We'll hear about it eventually. VanceS: Nelba is a character VanceS: yeah DennisOl: Definitely! VanceS: she's cool DennisOl: I think so, too! VanceS: anyway I've got to run VanceS: go get ready for my webcast DennisOl: And she's a pioneer . . . and marches to the beat of her own marimba player. DennisOl: OK. DennisOl: Hope to see you there. VanceS: pop by if you are so inclinded DennisOl: My best to Bobbi, OK? VanceS: marches to the beat of her own marimba VanceS: i like it DennisOl: I'd love to! VanceS: ok, 16:00 GMT DennisOl: Or maybe it's the beat of her own kettledrum! VanceS: it will be fun to have others there DennisOl: Yep. VanceS: ok, cya then DennisOl: So . . . Hopefully, I'll see you there! VanceS: take care DennisOl: Bah-bah . . . DennisOl: Yew tew. VanceS left the room (signed off). 2007.12.23 06:11:58 Signoff